James, you’re quick on the draw. I was just about to ask–who’s the dude with the beard? Now I’m going to have to brush up on my Bible. (James–what happened to your comment?)
A lot to digest, but I dug most of it. I feel bad for the actress who plays Sun, who has been reduced to a function for exposition: “Who’s Jacob?” “What happened to the statue?” I also was kind of annoyed by the appearances Jacob made in the cast’s lives: some were life-changing, like getting Hurley on the plane, getting Sayid’s wife killed, and then he gave Jack a candy bar?
But most of it rocked. I never expected Locke’s corpse to come tumbling out of that box. When something happens in a book, movie, TV show that makes you rethink the whole thing (was this whole show just the guy with the beard planning to kill Jacob–and if so, why was Jacob bringing everyone to the the island?) is the sign of genius.
Now we settle in for a long wait to find out if the bomb did anything. I expect it did (Darlton has said the time travel thing will be over as of next season) but not in any way we can predict.
Alright.
Have to disagree with you on the one respect, Slim.
The creators themselves have stated in years past that they had no idea where the story was going.
It now seems that they have simply decided that the entire series has been a power struggle between two warring…’dead people’…Jacob and the bearded guy.
So instead of really telling us about anything that’s come before, they have simply said: “look! this wasn’t at all like you thought it was! everyone can start watching next season cause you didn’t have to watch ANY of the other seasons to get it!”
And I thought the same thing about the candy bar, but then I thought: nothing helps Jack when people repeatedly and repeatedly tell him things. Jacob simply said “sometimes just needs a little push”. I thought that fleshed-out Jack’s character impetus perfectly and when he gave the little laugh, I thought it was awesome. Done.
Locke falling behind him as he read was brilliant.
I’ll admit, as a stand-alone ep, it was pretty brilliant.
As a part of the canon…feel it’s seriously lacking. But that’s just me.
Kudos to the actor who plays Richard Alpert for being so “Kick-Ass”.
And Jeff Fahey is the epitome of nonchalance. It’s awesome.
Oh, and meant to say Sawyer’s and Juliet’s affair is really complex and…movie-like. Yeah? They are a truly rounded love story and it was nearly heartbreaking to watch her slip out of his grip. Serious man-crush on Sawyer at that moment and Elizabeth Mitchell is smokin’, even in the face of imminent death.
James had a comment?
I agree with both of you…(To paraphrase Delmar: “I’m with you fellers”)
My immediate theory is that Juliet detonating the nuke is like Desmond turning the key…exact same thing happening at the hatch. Bright white light. I’m guessing the sky turns purple. Will everyone else live? Will she be unstuck in time? But, most importantly, will she return in the same clothes as Desmond????
These are the questions to mull over the next 7-8 months
Don’t see James comment either.
Loved it, but damn, 7-8 months. Almost makes you happy that that will be the last season.
Someone asked me how I could watch a show with such repeated plot holes, arbitrary casting choices (people die in the middle of their arcs and then come back to life for brief moments, and sometimes they were dead along, etc) and episodes where very little happens or things turn out to have meant nothing at all. But it’s the chaos that I love! Who wants perfect and condescending? Despite all its sci-fi and fantasy elements this is the most human show on television. If the next season ties everything up away from all the knots they’ve bound themselves in I may actually be pissed off.
And this ending leaves things well in line for next season.
- Dig Jacob’s description of the tapestry. Could just as well have been about all the people he’s apparently influenced to the island.
- Is fake Locke the smoke monster? Considering the smoke monster told Ben to follow fake Locke, I’m saying yes or at least they’re on the same team. Wonder why it couldn’t kill Jacob itself.
- I suppose the beginning sort of confirms Richard was on the Black Rock. Guessing we’ll see that one crash some time next season.
- Who’s the “they” in “they’re coming”? The 70s camp coming back in time, Jacob’s people or someone else?
- Is Sayid dead now? Or will he miraculously survive the wound?
Yeah, James had a comment suggesting there was a Jacob/Esau thing going, but he deleted it after I responded.
Filmman, from what I understand, after ABC announced that Lost had an end, which I think they did at the beginning of season 3, they knew exactly where they were going. They have not been making this up as they go along (although they may have had to move around actors leaving the show, a “variable” they can’t anticipate–I think Elizabeth Mitchell, aka Juliet, won’t be back because she’ll be in a different show).
Juliet won’t be back? Damn…have to go watch Gia again.
Here’s my thing, yeah?
You have one of the most nefarious, devious, underhanded, immoral…the person willing to do anything to survive and get their way and…you hand him a knife???!!! And turn your back and just act like everything is cool?
Granted, this was before I realized he wasn’t Locke, but that’s what’s always happened on this show. Now, I know it’s about destiny and your fate and doing what you must, blah, blah, blah, but…
Why didn’t someone know or remember that Ben had told them, at the Swan, that you can’t put too much metal into that little room? Who was with him when he said that? Anyone remember?
Why did no one catch on or remember that there would be the great threat of magnetism? Huh? They’re time travelers! They’ve been through it!
The only moment that really caught this, I thought, was the Asian dude, (sorry, don’t remember his name) when he talked about this was maybe what was meant to happen for events to progress as they need to. Where do we know when destiny or fate intervenes or was this all just supposed to happen this way?
I loved his line “Glad you guys thought this through.” Thought that was a nod from the writers to the audience saying what Austin Powers said about time travel.
Anywho, the opening dialogue, (which I still believe was from Vaughan, wish I knew) was awesome. A lot of Lindelof’s stuff is aces, though, and he is the real brains behind all of the work of JJ Abrams.
Oh, back on my original track, why would Jacob just stand there and let Ben stab him? Oh, right, it was his destiny, and perhaps the only way he could summon ‘whoever is coming’.
Where the hell is Desmond and Penny? Did I miss something?
Here are a few things my wife and I picked up:
It’s a hydrogen bomb: everyone on the island in 1977 is killed.
Given the timeline prior to the incident (and now the BOMB), as a result of the bomb going off Charles Widmore is killed, Eloise is killed, Daniel Faraday is NEVER born, Ben as a child is killed (and thus cannot grow up to kill Jacob), not sure if Penny is concieved off the island by 1977 or not, the bomb going off is Jacob’s way of surviving “the loophole”.
If the 815 never crashes then who will set of the bomb in 1977?
Richard arrives on the island via the Blackrock (it’s coming)
Rose and Bernard are most likely “Adam and Eve” from season 1.
One Guy’s Opinion:
That is BRILLIANT! Then it does stand to reason that the entire show and everything that happened on it comes down to two men sitting on the beach talking about how one wants to kill the other and he will find a loophole and this is how Jacob survives! Jacob is…bad-ass!
But then that just begs the question…if Jacob knew exactly how this was supposed to happen, and everyone will die anyway…in the immortal words of Seth Green in Austin Powers: “Why not just go back and kill everyone before they were born, instead of going through all of this mess?”
Here’s the recap from EW, which says it better than I could.
That recap is intensity in 10 cities!
@One guy’s opinion,
maybe if there weren’t a season 5. You don’t leave any possibility of continuing the lives of any of the main characters. in short, your theory is impossible.
Now have a FAR better appreciation for that episode and for the entire series for that matter after reading that EW article. Pretty cool.
I don’t think Juliette detonated the bomb – I think the energy that was being released underground caused a time flash and all the the 1970′s losties travel ahead 30 years. That is what Jacob meant when he said “They are coming”. I think that the bomb is still underground 30 years in the future.
The guy in the beard is the human manifestation of Smokey.
Jacob and Smokey represent the human struggle with good and evil. It seems Jacob is good and Smokey is evil but knowing Lost, the opposite is probably true.
What lies in the shadow of the statue?
He who will save us.
Jacob, Smokey, Locke, Ben, Jack? Who is in the shadow?
James, you’re quick on the draw. I was just about to ask–who’s the dude with the beard? Now I’m going to have to brush up on my Bible. (James–what happened to your comment?)
A lot to digest, but I dug most of it. I feel bad for the actress who plays Sun, who has been reduced to a function for exposition: “Who’s Jacob?” “What happened to the statue?” I also was kind of annoyed by the appearances Jacob made in the cast’s lives: some were life-changing, like getting Hurley on the plane, getting Sayid’s wife killed, and then he gave Jack a candy bar?
But most of it rocked. I never expected Locke’s corpse to come tumbling out of that box. When something happens in a book, movie, TV show that makes you rethink the whole thing (was this whole show just the guy with the beard planning to kill Jacob–and if so, why was Jacob bringing everyone to the the island?) is the sign of genius.
Now we settle in for a long wait to find out if the bomb did anything. I expect it did (Darlton has said the time travel thing will be over as of next season) but not in any way we can predict.
Alright.
Have to disagree with you on the one respect, Slim.
The creators themselves have stated in years past that they had no idea where the story was going.
It now seems that they have simply decided that the entire series has been a power struggle between two warring…’dead people’…Jacob and the bearded guy.
So instead of really telling us about anything that’s come before, they have simply said: “look! this wasn’t at all like you thought it was! everyone can start watching next season cause you didn’t have to watch ANY of the other seasons to get it!”
And I thought the same thing about the candy bar, but then I thought: nothing helps Jack when people repeatedly and repeatedly tell him things. Jacob simply said “sometimes just needs a little push”. I thought that fleshed-out Jack’s character impetus perfectly and when he gave the little laugh, I thought it was awesome. Done.
Locke falling behind him as he read was brilliant.
I’ll admit, as a stand-alone ep, it was pretty brilliant.
As a part of the canon…feel it’s seriously lacking. But that’s just me.
Kudos to the actor who plays Richard Alpert for being so “Kick-Ass”.
And Jeff Fahey is the epitome of nonchalance. It’s awesome.
Oh, and meant to say Sawyer’s and Juliet’s affair is really complex and…movie-like. Yeah? They are a truly rounded love story and it was nearly heartbreaking to watch her slip out of his grip. Serious man-crush on Sawyer at that moment and Elizabeth Mitchell is smokin’, even in the face of imminent death.
James had a comment?
I agree with both of you…(To paraphrase Delmar: “I’m with you fellers”)
My immediate theory is that Juliet detonating the nuke is like Desmond turning the key…exact same thing happening at the hatch. Bright white light. I’m guessing the sky turns purple. Will everyone else live? Will she be unstuck in time? But, most importantly, will she return in the same clothes as Desmond????
These are the questions to mull over the next 7-8 months
Don’t see James comment either.
Loved it, but damn, 7-8 months. Almost makes you happy that that will be the last season.
Someone asked me how I could watch a show with such repeated plot holes, arbitrary casting choices (people die in the middle of their arcs and then come back to life for brief moments, and sometimes they were dead along, etc) and episodes where very little happens or things turn out to have meant nothing at all. But it’s the chaos that I love! Who wants perfect and condescending? Despite all its sci-fi and fantasy elements this is the most human show on television. If the next season ties everything up away from all the knots they’ve bound themselves in I may actually be pissed off.
And this ending leaves things well in line for next season.
- Dig Jacob’s description of the tapestry. Could just as well have been about all the people he’s apparently influenced to the island.
- Is fake Locke the smoke monster? Considering the smoke monster told Ben to follow fake Locke, I’m saying yes or at least they’re on the same team. Wonder why it couldn’t kill Jacob itself.
- I suppose the beginning sort of confirms Richard was on the Black Rock. Guessing we’ll see that one crash some time next season.
- Who’s the “they” in “they’re coming”? The 70s camp coming back in time, Jacob’s people or someone else?
- Is Sayid dead now? Or will he miraculously survive the wound?
Yeah, James had a comment suggesting there was a Jacob/Esau thing going, but he deleted it after I responded.
Filmman, from what I understand, after ABC announced that Lost had an end, which I think they did at the beginning of season 3, they knew exactly where they were going. They have not been making this up as they go along (although they may have had to move around actors leaving the show, a “variable” they can’t anticipate–I think Elizabeth Mitchell, aka Juliet, won’t be back because she’ll be in a different show).
Juliet won’t be back? Damn…have to go watch Gia again.
Here’s my thing, yeah?
You have one of the most nefarious, devious, underhanded, immoral…the person willing to do anything to survive and get their way and…you hand him a knife???!!! And turn your back and just act like everything is cool?
Granted, this was before I realized he wasn’t Locke, but that’s what’s always happened on this show. Now, I know it’s about destiny and your fate and doing what you must, blah, blah, blah, but…
Why didn’t someone know or remember that Ben had told them, at the Swan, that you can’t put too much metal into that little room? Who was with him when he said that? Anyone remember?
Why did no one catch on or remember that there would be the great threat of magnetism? Huh? They’re time travelers! They’ve been through it!
The only moment that really caught this, I thought, was the Asian dude, (sorry, don’t remember his name) when he talked about this was maybe what was meant to happen for events to progress as they need to. Where do we know when destiny or fate intervenes or was this all just supposed to happen this way?
I loved his line “Glad you guys thought this through.” Thought that was a nod from the writers to the audience saying what Austin Powers said about time travel.
Anywho, the opening dialogue, (which I still believe was from Vaughan, wish I knew) was awesome. A lot of Lindelof’s stuff is aces, though, and he is the real brains behind all of the work of JJ Abrams.
Oh, back on my original track, why would Jacob just stand there and let Ben stab him? Oh, right, it was his destiny, and perhaps the only way he could summon ‘whoever is coming’.
Where the hell is Desmond and Penny? Did I miss something?
Here are a few things my wife and I picked up:
It’s a hydrogen bomb: everyone on the island in 1977 is killed.
Given the timeline prior to the incident (and now the BOMB), as a result of the bomb going off Charles Widmore is killed, Eloise is killed, Daniel Faraday is NEVER born, Ben as a child is killed (and thus cannot grow up to kill Jacob), not sure if Penny is concieved off the island by 1977 or not, the bomb going off is Jacob’s way of surviving “the loophole”.
If the 815 never crashes then who will set of the bomb in 1977?
Richard arrives on the island via the Blackrock (it’s coming)
Rose and Bernard are most likely “Adam and Eve” from season 1.
One Guy’s Opinion:
That is BRILLIANT! Then it does stand to reason that the entire show and everything that happened on it comes down to two men sitting on the beach talking about how one wants to kill the other and he will find a loophole and this is how Jacob survives! Jacob is…bad-ass!
But then that just begs the question…if Jacob knew exactly how this was supposed to happen, and everyone will die anyway…in the immortal words of Seth Green in Austin Powers: “Why not just go back and kill everyone before they were born, instead of going through all of this mess?”
Here’s the recap from EW, which says it better than I could.
That recap is intensity in 10 cities!
@One guy’s opinion,
maybe if there weren’t a season 5. You don’t leave any possibility of continuing the lives of any of the main characters. in short, your theory is impossible.
Now have a FAR better appreciation for that episode and for the entire series for that matter after reading that EW article. Pretty cool.
I don’t think Juliette detonated the bomb – I think the energy that was being released underground caused a time flash and all the the 1970′s losties travel ahead 30 years. That is what Jacob meant when he said “They are coming”. I think that the bomb is still underground 30 years in the future.
The guy in the beard is the human manifestation of Smokey.
Jacob and Smokey represent the human struggle with good and evil. It seems Jacob is good and Smokey is evil but knowing Lost, the opposite is probably true.
What lies in the shadow of the statue?
He who will save us.
Jacob, Smokey, Locke, Ben, Jack? Who is in the shadow?
Weird.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/4-15-23-24-35-and-42-identical-lottery-draw-raises-eyebrows-20090917-fryu.html